that. >> well, it's an ak 47 and ar 15, it's easy to confuse. >> i'm sorry. >> i want to get you right on that. we saw -- i like to point out on national television, we saw film footage of korean merchants using these types of firearms on top of their roof tops during the l.a. riots so player place of businesses weren't looted. we watched during hurricane andrew people using these kind of firearms in front of their homes to stop looting after the hurricane of the little property they had left. they're using sport shooting heavily. these sport utilities -- >> so you say in some cases they're needed to defend -- all right. that's your argument. now, in australia -- >> well, go ahead. >> in australia, they did ban semiautomatic weapons and the crime rate plummeted there. and they say in australia, that was a very effective public policy deal.
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