okay? >> do you know what a pot shot is? >> these people are desperate. they are scared and people, including the leadership, are taking advantage of them and using them. believe me. >> as far as people being afraid, you know what, they should be afraid because unions threaten their own job security. you look at manufacturing jobs, in the united states, single greatest threat to your job security, your company being shut down is if you're in a union that burdens this company with costs that they can't bear! >> steven, you know what? i don't need to be schooled by you. i've been in this business quite a long time. >> you just were. >> steve: well, by the fact that those guys took on steven crowder and the one guy punched him a couple of times, it does not do their side any good. >> brian: and andy sullivan, it's important to know i think cops and firefighters, as well as in wisconsin were excluded.