this unbelievable american system that we had that allowed you to thrive. somebody invested in roads and bridges. if you got a business, you didn't build that. somebody else made that happen. megyn: your thoughts, jack? in particular on the first part about how, successful business people often think it is because they're so smart or they just worked harder than anybody else. >> it is insulting. i don't feel any differently. i think he is scoffing people to go out there and take risk and put life on the line and home and everything else. and families potential well-being. megyn: so you work in the metal fabrication and your dad had an amazing story too, coming over, working hard. do you see, i mean, was there a difference? why did you make it? why did your small business survive and the others didn't? >> well, i mean, not all small businesses don't survive and not all small businesses make it. it takes some good fort fun,