time we get our hands around this because we have major challenges ahead of us. you could have a terrorist attack, cyber espionage going on against the government as well as the private sector. some of our most valuable intellectual property's being stolen. there's concerns about the supply chain. a lot of telecommunications equipment comes from overseas including places like china. and then, of course, you have the issue of cyber warfare. there's a lot we need to get around. it's a major threat, it's the cutting edge of asymmetric warfare threat to our national security, and we need to take it seriously. jenna: you give us a lot to think about. certain lawmakers want more information from private companies and the companies and oh lawmakers say, listen, that's our property. we can't actually share that. so the private and public conflict is something that's really at center stage here. peter or, thank you so much for talking with us today. >> thanks for having me. jon: the irony is the internet was developed for our pentagon, and now it's potentially being used as a weapon. thousands of your tax