house. we have a record after meeting between the media matters president and valerie jerrick, and we have knowledge and reported between the white house and media matters and another weekly meeting where a white house official attendance with media matters. so, look, this is in effect an arm of the obama campaign. and our view is, and i think the view of any nonaligned person looking at this, would be that's fine. but just don't expect to get tax exempt status. now, in real life as you know, it's hard to get anyone tax exempt status revoked, almost never happens. there are members of congress and we did a story of it, now looking into media matters tax exemption and we'll see what happens and this is the crux of why it's outrageous. >> mike: tucker, you and i both know that churches are regularly strend about the it cans status because the pastor says he's against abortion or marriage. and the pastor speaking his