dependency and poverty. >> greta: there is a big difference between handing out and inspiring and giving an opportunity. >> is it. >> greta: the inspiring and the opportunity is -- >> well, the look at myself. the opportunity for me came i had two great parents, parents with a military background. i also got involved in the high school r.o.t.c. program. that was the ticket for me to get out. >> greta: what was the like at the time? >> my -- what was the neighborhood like at the time? >> more families there. a strong church environment. we did have the small black businesses. i would walk from the elementary school to butler ymca. that was the cradle of black entrepreneurship and small businesses. that is gone. >> greta: i was criminal defense in washington, inner city, i would have a 17-year-old client charged with murder. his mother would be 14, 15 years older. wouldn't be in the picture. the grandmother would be in the picture.