>> >> bill: it was personal in cheney's book. you are academic, you wanted to have meetings and all of that you said that your joint appearances with appearances with the secretary of defense were disastrous. so what was the beef there? >> well, don is kind of a was cybil, grumpy guy. i think that sometimes don had trouble with the fact that we were now in a position of colleague, he had been my mentor, someone who championed my career. again, we had substantive disagreements. not personal disagreements. >> don't you think both guys were a little torqued off that you were challenging them. that you were intruding on their turf? >> oh, i think both of them understood that i was a national security advisor with a close relationship with the president. sometimes don thought i was putting the president's words in or my words in the president's mouth that absolutely wasn't true. >> bill: was this just a power thing like who can get the
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