for president obama because he made it very clear that he would veto exactly this. the problem is that, you know, senator carl levin, who runs the defense committee in the senate, you know, he has to negotiate with republicans and going forward democrats will have to negotiate even more and so they're going to strike these kinds of deals. if president obama does not make good on a veto threat that will take a real important threatening tool that, really the only one the president has off the table for future negotiations on things on this. bill: charlie, does this mean gitmo stays open indefinitely? >> i think absolutely it does. i think quite frankly i would argue it would anyway because the politics of that have been so bad for president obama. he already sort of, you know, kicked this thing down the road for two years now and so i think that this absolutely would --. bill: on day one, january of '09, that was the first executive order he signed to