for president on infidelity charges, but he dealt with them very well. george w. bush, as you mentioned, those charges that came out in the waning days of the 2000 election, he dealt with it fairly well and was able to win. so can herman cain, survive, yes, but it remains -- i think this interview is going to be very, very telling. jon: interesting. the campaign finance laws are incredibly tough to keep up with. can his organization say that, okay, we just weren't aware that these so called violations were actually violations? >> well, he can make that case, and certainly, candidates have made that case, ignorance, listen, i didn't know these were the rules. will it fly, i think it matters about not whether he gets fined or anything like that, it's the court of public opinion. that's what herman cain is most concerned with now and that's -- he's a very likable gierks that'sy has risen in the polls, and can he remain likable, can he deal with these charges and
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