>> cain -- i don't know if he could -- maybe. but i'll say this, they want ronald reagan. there are no ronald reagans out there. bachman isn't. perry isn't. santorum isn't. whoever the others are. but i'll tell you the one who comes close, herman cain. >> bill: to ronald reagan? >> yes. >> bill: we don't know yet. >> in the same way that he's optimistic. he came up from -- he didn't grow up wealthy. >> bill: no. he's a boot strap guy. >> he has a great story. >> bill: i don't see him as being reagan because reagan had the california experience behind him as the governor of a very complex state. >> i'm talking about how you come across to ordinary -- and i use that word in the best sense -- ordinary americans. cain comes across -- the reason he's doing so well in the polls is he comes across, yeah, i sort of like that guy. >> bill: he's not a politician. but what about when what you call them purist, they say, look what happened with mccain? we compromised with mccain and
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