the debt ceiling. shibani, i want to start with the debt ceiling increase, a lot of debate and democrats are saying we ever he got to do it and a few years ago, they said we shouldn't do it, a sign of lack of leadership, is that hipocracy and do we have to do it? >> well, one thing is that you see this flipping all the time depending what election year you're in. what we're seeing is democrats switching sides and taking a whol new stance. do we need to do this? the question is absolutely without a doubt. we need the address the broader issue of tackling our spending and it's getting looped into the debt ceiling, running into our debt ceiling in august. yes, we can fudge the numbers like in the same way that uncle sam, his credit card has been maxed out. we could use credit card a and to credit card b and shuffle things around and that's what the united states governor is doing. at some point you run out of credit and people are going to