[inaudible] >> we're going to sink in paralysis. that's what's going to happen. you know the math. bill: explain the point you were making there. it's a point i make publicly. we're leading. we know the math. he knows the math. medicare is going bankrupt. we've got to do something to save it. we're leading, an by putting a plan on the table, and yes, we know the other side wants to use mediscare tactics, if that succeeds, medicare itself goes bankrupt, then we have a debt crisis. we're trying to fix this problem, be a part of the solution rather than a part of the problem. the other thing is the medicare reform plan, it's exactly what president clinton's commission to save medicare recommended we should do in the late '90s. bill: paul ryan, thank you for your time. >> thank you bill. bill: we'll see what comes out of the white house today, republican from wisconsin on the hill. thanks. heather: before you take that jet to the beach this