politicians who have violated all kinds of rules in the past, they say the social security lock box is not going to go to anything but social security, we than politicians have been raiding that lock box for years. what makes you think the politicians will be true to their word on this? >> we will have to put strong enforcement mechanisms in place. >> nothing have stopped them in the past? >> we need the money to reduce the deficit. we need the money. we are cutting trillions of dollars of spending. if we don't raise the money i. i am reluctant to give more money. >> the alternative is to borrow $1 trillion a year. you can elect to borrow $1 trillion a year until we can't anymore? that's the alternative. >> next, our three judges will pick their winner. and the audience votes, who will win the best budget award? that's next. [ artis brown ] america is facing some tough challenges right now.