but we're hearing the stories from people and hospital workers about dozens of people h were killed, many of them civilians, dozens more wounded, and that's what we're going on at this point. we've had to pull back from some of these areas when the fighting was fiercest. as we come back in, especially here today, we're seeing again the after math, the results of the fighting and the results of the retaliation by nato jets. >> jamie: do you get a sense of what the capability of that tank is and others that you've seen that have been taken out? >> reporter: oh, absolutely. i mean, we've seen the shelling, the buildings that were she would in benghazi by these tanks, and we've felt the concussion from their rounds as they fired, and the opposition forces have been telling us repeatedly they have no answer for qaddafi's armor. they had more men, they had the spirit and the will to fight, but they were outgunned and outtrained, but what they were calling for all along is some