the opinion he had a couple of years ago and last year, when he was attacking it relentlessly or his surrogates were attacking it relentlessly. i think this is very good evidence. ifhow obama is able to disarm hs opponents, to be charming, conciliatory, knowing that's what he needs to win re-election it shows a very skilled politician. >> bill: yeah. but he denies moving to the center. see, that was the headline for me in the interview. i mean, he said i'm not moving to the center at all. people going, whoa. you you know, with the new daily appointment as the chief of staff. embracing of the chamber of commerce who he was warring with as well. but he -- you know, so people go well, he lied. he lied when he said he wasn't moving to the center. i'm saying i don't think he thinks he is moving to the center. >> i actually think that he is the same guy he has been for the last. >> bill: you said that for a number of times. >> i think he might -- maybe he