do. and senator domonici also there has been a pretty much -- >> neil: you're right. talking about the former senate budget chief. but here is my take on a lot of the taxes. say we have a 6.5% sales tax. it starts and declines. in new jersey, the top income bracket was 2%. it zoomed up to where it is, to around 6.5% and now at around 9%. that's where chris christie kept it because they wanted to raise it further. connecticut gas tax, same story. going higher and higher and higher. there is always a starting point with the puppies and the only point of which it goes is up. >> i don't think that's true. i really -- i mean when we came in office in january 1981, we really did bring that tax rate down, neil. >> neil: no, no. art, i had no offense. you are an exception to the rule. i have mean that. i said that. but i'm telling you the history otherwise -- you're right, that is a glaring exception. but the history otherwise in the other countries and other
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