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so the question, rod, to you first and david to you next is why hasn't that been done already? >> well, these are the kinds of things that are done normally when we're trying to cut spending or find more money for something else. the printing costs, for example, have been cut back in the past, they want to cut them some more, so let's keep this in perspective. you know, you're talking about a couple billion dollars out of a package that's $4 trillion. so yes, you need to do these smaller things, but you're only serious if you do the big things in both spending and in revenues. jenna: david, i'm sure some of our viewers are like we'll take a couple billion if we can save it off the prints fees. >> sure. every business is making decisions on things like travel and how they can be more efficient in their operations, but i would agree with rob, it's important to look for those savings, but i think that this offers a real important

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