you have known who i was talking about? do you know? no one, no one two years ago wanted to believe there was a philosophy to intentionally collapse our system. well, the people who wanted to do it are right here. cloward piven, richard cloward francis fox piven they were columbia university protests. remember the tree of revolution before. you've got the progressives at the beginning and they wanted to change everything. nothing was happening so in the '60s, fdf started in, students for a democrat elk society, and this had the radicals down here, these guys, all of these guys down here. well, it wasn't working in the '60s, the radicals wanted to overthrow capitalism and have a revolution in the 1960's. one side was violent, they