quickly became administrative assistant. supervisor of janitors. and cut to the chase, you said it well. he pastors one of the great churches in america today. preaches every sunday to thousands of people. >> mike: you employed him at the church and he became the youth minister. i've got to ask both of you to tell me this. were there parents who said are you crazy? you are going to let this guy who is a convicted murder oversee the youth activities of my kids? >> i will never forget circumstance that brought maury to the youth pastorship of cavalry. i had a group of parents meeting me and they were disillusioned with the current youth pastor. more out of exac ber ration than anything es -- exasperation i threw this out. what would you think of davis? he was my personal administrative assistant. to my astonishment they said yes, we would love to have maury davis as the youth pastor. >> mike: were you as shocked