>> and no, the private sector does everything better except this is one area where everybody says, well, this is a job for government. i mean, building subways, transportation, private sector isn't going to do that. and yet, people don't know here in new york city private companies built two out of the three subways for the first two. and what the government is doing and this light rail that biden is celebrating, it's -- people like it, trains are romantic. it seems like an efficient way to go but they're boondoggles and say so many people are going to ride them. so many are empty. we have a picture, i think, from the portland -- >> is that a coyote? >> that's a coyote. >> and they really look for isolation. they're empty most of the time. >> so you say that we should privatize our rail and in fact, i just dialed up in the united kingdom, you can go on one of