>> bill: i'm saying to myself. i don't know. i don't know how this is going to play among the folks. what do you think? >> well, i think more and more people are beginning to believe that religion is something that is a very personal and very individual. and i don't think it's a show. i mean, when a president goes to church in washington, it can be a zoo. as particularly if obama went to church there would be people hanging in the rafters. there is nothing really spiritual about going to church when have you got a crowd of media outside and inside and people staring at you. it just is not a religious experience. >> bill: all right. >> it's more for show, i think. >> bill: president bush the elder and bill clinton both went to church fairly frequently. also, you might remember ms. quinn when tony snow was buried we had president bush there, vice president cheney. it wasn't a dog and pony show. people were able to come in and out of the church. i was there. i don't know if that argument is valid. i mean, i understand the

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