if he can't figure out that, that the smartest thing politically would be to tell the truth, then i don't know what -- >> okay. i would just like to interject, jim. i watched that whole speech. that was one heckler at the beginning of the speech. we've all been to political speechers. every now and then you get a heckler. the vast majority of that speech and that crowd was enormously si supportive of mike pence. what i took away was -- >> margaret, do you mind if -- i was trying to keep it chill on this father's day and you're next to john and all that and you have a beautiful family, by the way -- >> thank you. >> but they were chanting hang mike pence january 6th and then to hear a crowd at a friendly audience like that and maybe it was just a few folks in the crowd. we're hearing estimates of 6 to 8, maybe 10 chanting "traitor," that's disturbing because it just takes one cuke to do something that would cause -- >> yeah, i want to --
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