he's basically in the biden world of democracies versus autocracies, he's hard on the -- cassi side. there's no provision in the nato charter for throwing a country out. the u.s. couldn't afford to if it wanted to because he's providing the air access we will need over afghanistan if things go bad after the u.s. withdraws. >> let's jump ahead to what this is all building toward, right. biden's meeting with vladimir putin. in a new interview with nbc news, putin laughed when he was asked if he was a killer by the correspondent who he was speaking with, keir simmons, and also when asked, though, about the ransomware attacks, the u.s. intelligence has said originated out of russia, wthat we've seen more and more of. i want to play what putin said. >> mr. president, are you waging a cyber war against america?
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