of things that people think are important in terms of reform. now, that said, many of these steps in biden's plan would undo things that joe biden did. joe biden wants to get rid of his mandatory minimums and his crack and powder cocaine distinction. he says i'm going to background call, one often his advisers was saying that he wants to get back to the police investigations that were spearheaded by legislation that joe biden pushed. that was the crime bill. and so joe biden does have a really difficult here. i also think it's going to be interesting in terms of how this plays out. joe biden's record versus what he's talking about now and there's going to be fascinating points. joe biden is far more progressive than democrats would have been just a cycle or two ago, but probably wouldn't even be close to the most progressive earn. >> this is such important policy and substance. let's talk about what's driving
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