south carolina and we have a long, protracted race. but if you're the former vice president who came in as the giant front-runner, you've got to win early, right? >> a lot of what these early polls show is name recognition. we've talked a lot about that. but the other thing to me that's interesting is i spent the weekend, i was at net roots nation, which is a huge gathering of progressive activists. it's that wing of the party. what was interesting to me is you talk to folks and they're really con tent with their field of democratic candidates. the one person that they are in agreement that they do not want, that they actually think is the least electable candidate is joe biden. >> i want to listen to a piece of that. we stole this from your piece on npr. you're right. this is one wing of the party. it's an activist wing of the party. joe biden is betting there are more moderate centrists out there when people start voting but the energy from these activists to say not joe biden is palpable. >> i do believe that there are people who can afford for the
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