>> were they right or wrong in. >> well, i think it's not a bad thing that we hold ourselves to a higher standard. >> were they right to do that, to push him out of senate because they did? >> i would not have applied that pressure at that time before we knew more. >> fellow 2020 candidate senator kirsten gillibrand who led the call for franken to step down in 2017 was quick to stopped. eight credible allegations of sexual harassment. that's not too high of a standard. form senators including myself in this primary field, that was not too high of a bar. to senator gillibrand's point, senator cory bjork, michael bent, herself, senator harris and senator elizabeth warren all among those said franken had to go back at the time. and this is interesting to have a debate between two of the democratic candidates about something kind of out of the blue. >> it's also interesting because gill grand's advisors have said that they actually think that this issue is held her back in terms of fund-raising and