so i think you do this hesitancy because of the script that dr donald trump has followed. you've even seen this from william barr when he was testifying before the senate. someone asked him a similar question about any interference from a foreign government? he sort of hedged on it, as well. i think this comes from donald trump. they want to toe the party line and he said it pretty, i think forcefully over these many years. >> although, caitlin, throughout the trump presidency, there would be leaks from ivanka and jared that they didn't approve of step "x" that was going on, whether it was the muslim ban or whatever. and here you have jared kushner refusing to say that birtherism, accusing the first african-american president of secretly, obviously, a false charge, being born in africa, here you have him not saying -- not attacking it, not agreeing that it's racist, but also, he didn't defend it, which was also -- seems to get at the idea that in some ways, jared and ivanka kind of are trying to
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