reassurance if you stick by us we'll have your back. and that's sort of the insinuation through these e-mails. but the problem i think for cohen is that when he testified he didn't sort of lay out the timing in terms of the conversations that were going on between lawyers whether or not he was involved, lawyers on his behalf in seeking out a pardon while there was still a joint defense agreement. so there's a question of timing that i think is important for him. >> you have friends in high places, carrie, very quickly, is it more garth brooks or tony soprano? that's the question investigators have to ask themselves. >> clearly there was an open line of communication, that's what we know. and it would have been -- this communication was with rudy giuliani, the president's lawyer. it would have been in the president's interests, and so rudy giuliani was trying to understand where michael cohen's head was, what was he think something was he still sort of being friendly to them? and i would think that the
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