attorney general, but whitaker and kennedy were close in terms of qualifications. >> okay. kirsten, here we are again. two heads of the committee, the democrat and republican, with two directly opposite versions of what happened. it's -- and this makes me nervous because we don't really know what happened or what was said. >> right. well, the thing is that congressman nadler is saying that he pressed him and he wasn't answering the question. so that is not the same thing as necessarily giving an answer. in the public testimony he was basically saying he wasn't going to talk about conversations that he had with the president. and so i think him not answering shouldn't be construed as somehow giving information. i do think it is true that he isn't seen as being probably the most trustworthy person in the sense that he was hired clearly as a trump loyalist who wasn't qualified for the job.
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