to make the case about manafort that, no, we didn't just go after him because he was the trump campaign chairman, especially in the face of him being sentenced to four years last week, which was much less than what they had proposed to the judge of 25 years. >> avoiding taxes is tastealing with the government. it's dismissed as this petty crime but he did it for a long time. i imagine the judge is going to keep that in mind. >> what do you make of all this, dana? >> well r, shimon makes an important point, that wait a minute, people at the highest levels of the government knew realtime that he was meeting with ukrainian officials and so forth. but that doesn't account for the fact that that continued when he was not just paul manafort, a
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