there's some supposition about that. >> you believe the fbi? they're not an expert? >> there's some supposition about hate crime. define it. define hate speech. there's a great deal of ambiguity about what makes something a hate crime. >> most of them are -- >> smollett did, if he lied, he's hurt real victims of hate crime. >> absolutely. >> we can agree on that. i wonder, bill, if you think the good morning america interview was too soft on him. even by the time he sat down with robin roberts, there were doubts. >> she had to press that, and she didn't. he's a celebrity. he's an actor. that was a celebrity interview more than a news person interview. instead of getting to the facts, it was more about him and his -- the effects on him. >> interesting. >> instead of what happened? it was not a news interview. he didn't do a news interview. the media was not able to