sources that in fact the president did lash out. the way he answered that question is very interesting. he sort of paused in a very, very long period of time. you know, i think he was not being forthright with the committee. and i asked him again whether the president or others had expressed their displeasure and he was very cagey in his answer. look, i believe the public reporting. >> congressman cicilline, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> hope you feel better. >> i want to bring in the lawyers, kerry cordero and jennifer rogers, carl bernstein who fair to say he's seen a few of these, especially during the water gate scandal. carrie, whitaker did say he hasn't discussed the mueller investigation with the president or interfered so does that put to bed that he could have impeded the mueller investigation? >> i think it goes a long way. if we have to take him at his word, he was under oath, that he says he didn't do those things. then i think we have to give