not. >> that's right. >> and there are a lot of people who are just elected in the house who come from districts that donald trump won by two, three, four points, who don't want to be seen as soft on border security or they're going to be vulnerable next time around. so i think something that includes less than $5 billion, but some amount of money for border security that nancy pelosi can say, this isn't a wall and trump can say, this is a wall. i think that's the only way out of this. >> isn't that offer already on the table, though? aren't they offering a billion and a half? >> $1.3 billion. >> yeah. >> that's obviously not enough. >> right. so you're saying they would have more money than that. because they have basically said, we support border security, we'll give you this money, but we're not going to give you the money for the wall and that's where the $5 billion comes in. >> ultimately, the big solution, obviously -- jeff flake used to say, all these democrats in 2013 voted for something like $40 billion in border security. not a border wall, but border security. but it came with this giant immigration reform. >> it was comprehensive immigration package that folks
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