bottomless pinocchio. so i'm wondering what you think as somebody who has written a book about how often they lie. >> i think there's one statement that's going to come back to haunt sarah sanders from that briefing. she stood at the podium and said that michael flynn's lies have nothing to do with president trump. really? let's push back on that a little bit. he lied to the fbi about the conversations he had about sanctions with the russian government during the transition. why did he lie? well, let me ask this. what are the chances he was freelancing that conversation? would general flynn go to the russian government and say, don't worry about retaliation if he didn't have some kind of authorization from trump? i think not. that has not been proven. but we keep going around these circles saying why did general flynn lie? well, if he was directed to have those conversations with the russians by president trump, that would be a pretty big reason to lie. >> interesting. the other thing, mary kathryn,