stretched into the campaign, and where is the legality? >> it's not something that would be a violation of u.s. law if he was negotiating those activities while he was a candidate. at the time he was a candidate, and there's a difference what he says publicly and what exposes him or his family members for criminal liability. the bigger legal issue is what he put in the answers to the writing, and what other trump organization leadership members put in their written or oral testimony -- >> if they lied, if they tried to fudge the timeline somehow then it gets illegal?