we might just view it as a written statement signed by the witness. if it's true, if she backs it up with other facts, i think it's a major problem for the kavanagh nomination. >> a key point there, let's bring the conversation in the room with me here in the studio to chair shashare their reporti. manu r m this is a difficult situation in which you now have a person who's willing to take a risk, the statement is signed, i declare under personal si of perjury, the foregoing statement. it can say this, but the question is was it actually done in the presence of someone under oath. you take this at its face value. republicans are going to say