goes in. and one person who was inside was charlie black. he's here with me now. you were a senior adviser to his 2008 presidential campaign. you knew mr. mccain well. >> knew him for 40 years. >> reporter: 40 years. what do you think he would take from the services and all that is happening over the next five days? >> he may look back on it and think it is too much. but on the other hand, you have to allow nation and the world to say farewell and honor him. he would be particularly well to know that today many, many average arizonans can come in to say good-bye. and tomorrow at the funeral, there will be a thousand seats for the general public. that's what he liked to do. he would want to people to get to say good-bye. >> reporter: you said he was pretty cerebral when it came to this. tell me a little bit about his planning. >> he and cindy did a lot of the planning along with some help