>> i think the numbers start to crumble for him, especially with his base. let's say the overall approval rating and you see the gap widening for the midterms, preferences for the midterms. i think at that point, yes, there will be conversations of a more serious nature. i think they'll be quite hidden. i think what the republicans really have to do, don, is take it upon themselves in congress to take some action. first and foremost, they ought to pass, you know, a bill which protects the special counsel. i mean, this is ludicrous to leave him hanging out there zbli. >> right. >> they ought to pass a resolution urging the president to be cautious about pardons instead of dangling pardons in the fox interview in regard to manafort. they ought to urge the president to go testify, himself. do this if a clean way and the republican party can survive it, but if they don't get their heads up and it's right for the country. i mean, they owe it to the country to be tougher on this. >> the -- david, yes, but mark,
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