a situation where he swears under oath. >> but a perjury trap is where they're not bringing him in for fact-finding purposes. >> they don't need any fact-finding. they know his answer. >> but there are tons of questions they can ask him about what he did, why he did. that's part of the negotiation process. >> you want to take that question out? >> i would never take that question out. >> well, then you have to. >> why? >> because you're trapping him into perjury. you know the answer already. >> no. i know an answer he's given in the past already. >> but we're willing to stipulate that's the answer today. >> right, but that's because you're not under oath and sitting in front of me as a federal investigator. >> well, the only reason i would do that is -- >> and he's given different answers about things. >> he's never given a different answer about that. he's always said i never had that conversation. >> i've never heard him say that, i never spoke to comey about flynn. >> i'm going to tell you he said that. >> i believe you. i believe you that you're saying that. but i've never heard it. >> he will testify to that. he will testify, i never talked to comey about going easy in any
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