i would prefer that they make an argument for what they're for rarter than pretending if they're for something else. if we're going to have a debate, why don't they stand up and say what they're for? >> stephen, i'll give you the last word. >> unfortunately health insurance is so expensive right now. people can't afford the plans that were supposed to be more affordable. what we are trying to offer people is plans that they can afford. now, they're not going to cover for everything that obama care requires coverage for, but if -- my point is wouldn't a plan that provides you with some basic coverage be better than no health insurance at all? i guess you guys say it would be better if people don't have health insurance at all. >> okay. that's got to be it. wasn't that the whole idea of obama care. >> but it doesn't do it. people can't afford it. >> but you're not telling the viewer -- you're just selling a part of it that fits your narrative. you're not telling people why it's not affordable.
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