>> do you think he thinks he has a pretty complete understanding, those meetings. congressman heck, or do you so i think especially if there think that he is really -- may have been things going on really doesn't know and is just trying to put a good face on it? that otherwise lawyers wouldn't >> well, probably more the do either, i could see that latter, erin. but here's the deal. if, in fact, the president gave michael cohen may have foreseen him a complete 100% readout on that there might be a time when he would want to protect that meeting, then it really himself. >> well, interesting. begs the question, why wasn't when you talk about bad memory the secretary of state in that in meetings, you've got to meeting to begin with? wonder if that's what jim mattis because the fact of the matter, and mike pompeo are worried throughout all of history, that about, when they're getting is the norm, not the practical briefed by the president about of this president, which is to what happened with putin. can you trust out or not? meet privately. things like this tape actually meet privately with vladimir raise that question. paul, i want to play the key exchange on the tape, though. because what is said here could putin, shortly after having matter greatly, right, in terms stood on foreign soil and of whether there was a violation actually taking the autocrat of of campaign law, whether the president was trying to skirt the law. a hostile foreign power, mr. putin, over the word of his own cohen's lawyer, lanny davis, says trump said, pay them money intelligence community. so if, in fact, the secretary of for this playmate story in cash, state knows everything that went on there, then there would have which would imply he's trying to hide it and do it in an unclean been no reason for the president way. trump's lawyer, giuliani said, to keep him out, which would don't pay cash, check. have been the usual practice. >> so the white house announced so, um, that he wanted it today, congressman, you know, documented. we're talking about what happened in the last meeting, so these are night and day, opposite interpretations of the
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