>> you deal with that which you most often hear from guys who look like i look when there is one of these shootings like just comply with police orders. don't talk back. or my favorite, and i've said it. i've got to admit. i've said it. don't break the law. >> sure. yeah. we have courts for people who break the law and jails for people who break the law. police aren't -- they're supposed to bind you over for trial but ultimately, we're saying we'd rather have policemen who decide that you not complying with them is a death sentence. i don't think ultimately that's what we would like in a society. i think when you look on the face, it seems absurd to say, i heard giuliani say teach your children to respect the police. you can't teach your children to clean their room, but we're putting the onus on a child rather than a trained adult who is trained in policing. these ironic things people say are the motivation for writing this book.