an individual than it might for a democratic party. >> i think that's right. >> when you have the issue where first lady melania visits her second immigration fa sill and that with the president saying equally, he hates seeing kids being separated from their parents. does it not send a message with melania, the first lady, using her influence? how severe is the white house really on being compassionate about this issue if the needle really hasbling been moved. >> i don't know that they are. >> we have really two opposite sort of arguments. we've heard reported that donald trump and certainly jeff sessions and stephen miller want family separation to happen. they want this to be as ugly and chaotic and messy as upon.
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