i was lucky enough they believe patient with me and let me find my leane. >> i think it's important for people to know that. we're dealing with anthony bo bourdain and other people and a lot of time, people on the outside look like they're successful but on the inside, they can be going through a lot. what you have by way of advice for people going through those tough and difficult moments. not that you were at that level, but this is a very tough business you're in. >> it's true. i think one of the problems for people on the outside successful is they feel the last thing people want to hear them talk about is they're depressed. like what do you have to be depressed about? you have everything anyone could want. i think we'd be better off if more successful people were honest and shared the fact that that depression is something that chases you no matter what your status is. >> equal opportunity. >> and people shouldn't feel shame about it.