come won't be for a very, very long time. >> right. if there is a process that begins, a lot of experts believe that will take 10 to 15 years. kind of start from the halt part to then a roll back and then elimination of their nuclear program. but from the south korea perspective, the fact that these two guys are meeting at all is an important start. and engagement and diplomacy is the opposite of what we were seeing in the fall, which was u.s. military members having to prepare go bags and south korea being very concerned that actual military options were being considered and might take place. so the fact that this is happening is significant in and of itself, the debate about denuclearization is something we see a lot out of washington. i can say from this part of the world, there is a lot of cautious optimism that just talking is going to begin a process. >> there has been meetings running up to this. probably already working on the communique that will come out of