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it, i think i'm optimistic that that kind of pressure and energy can continue. >> when you say that this was the first of the hiccups, matt -- >> yeah. >> what do you expect the rest to look like, on, off, on, off? >> some of that, but say they have a photo opportunity. that's not a small thing. that's a big thing. getting the two of them together. >> yeah. >> we'll see a lot of weeks and months to follow and years. a photo, but nothing done yet, it's off, it's on. this is going to be complicated, even in the most calm kind of well-run process driven administration, this would be like that. in this white house it's the president waking up one morning feeling a different way, that's a new set of decisions. >> i'm talking to experts the last few weeks, all of them say that kim comes to the meeting very prepared. he'll know the details. he'll know the nuance. arms control negotiations are the most difficult to have, not that they get into too many

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