the president, his client, and the person who emmitt flood now works for inside the white house wanted him to be there. now, anderson, you mentioned the context of this, of why this is even a story. in the beginning but i can tell you as someone who's covered capitol hill for many, many years, the protocol for most if not all so-called gang of eight meetings, when the intelligence community or the law enforcement community is briefing the top intelligence lawmakers and leadership about issues like this, the white house isn't there. and that's even under the most benign circumstances. this adds a layer of the fact that the white house, meaning the president, is part of the investigation that they're talking about, which makes it so unbelievably unprecedented. >> right, the idea that the president or what rudy giuliani believes, that the president would have told the presidential attorney, flood, to go along with john kelly and address both