it their strategy to go on television and gas light people to get them to believe something that's not true? >> i think you can do two things here. one is you can start to muddy the waters when it comes to rod rosenstein. you remember the white house said sort of the gold standard for a civil servant in the justice department. and then if the president happens to decide one day that he is going to fire him in person or in a tweet or however, you have created some sort of political cover for the president to do so. the other thing you do is you try to craft the narrative you. try to win the war of public relations so that if these findings are released eventually, we learn what robert mueller is up to. we learned what rod rosenstein signed off on in terms of the investigation, and it doesn't all look rosy for the president, you can say this saul political. you shouldn't pay attention to it anyway. and we saw this with the ken starr report. so it's not like there is no precedent for trying to fight this battle as a political. >> you wonder why people get on television and say some of the outlandish things they say and
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