need to share their data with i.c.e., and so he really grew the entire system and as a result you saw deportations at the highest they had ever been for any president. we're talking at rates of over 1,000 a day, about 1 million people. >> wow. >> why is it that people who are quote, unquote anti-immigration, why don't they see those as families or people that need and their family needed help? >> i think words and language create inconscious bias, symbols, imagery, because in the '90s i remember watching tv and seeing the commercials that say invasion. >> they keep coming. 2 million illegal immigrants in california. >> you would see brown guys running are, and the symbol of the border has been such a powerful symbol, really in creating a very lasting anti-immigrant wave. >> yeah. >> now let's talk about the wall. >> yeah. >> the physical, like, you know, as an artist, how you see it, what your thoughts are when you hear about them building a bigger wall, a more powerful
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