have tapes of conversations between these two lawyers. >> let me give you an example of something investigators will be very interested in. which is cohen has said that the reason he made daniels out of his own money was that he wanted to protect the trump family. he said it had nothing to do with the campaign. even though it was october 28th when the deal was struck. right before the election. if there are tapes of him talking to stormy's lawyer about the election and say weg got to get this done before the election, then it puts cohen in more jeopardy of a campaign finance violation because it looks like the money is unlawful campaign contribution. one thing the investigators will be listening for is any references to the campaign in those con vversations. >> you know, it also begs the question, steve, of why michael